Welcome to the fourth episode of Talk Story! In this episode, we have a special cohost, Anouck, representing the female surf community for the first time on the podcast. We discuss Anouck’s inspiring journey of learning to surf in her thirties, as well as her surf travels to Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Indonesia, and more. We also explore the connection between her surfing passion and her artistic endeavors.
This episode includes:
Surf Report/Forecast
Weekly Local Happenings
Surfrider Foundation Miami Movie Night: Surfing Cuba
Learning to Surf in Your 30’s
Commitment
Traveling
Small Wave Surfing
Surfing as Inspiration
Anouck: https://www.instagram.com/anouckjourdaa
Timecodes:
00:00 Welcome to Episode 4
00:34 Upcoming Events and Announcements
01:46 Surf Recap and Conditions
03:49 Anouck’s Surfing Journey
10:40 Surf Trips and Adventures
15:48 Art and Surfing: A Creative Connection
19:43 The Joy of Surfing Small Waves
25:53 Conclusion and Farewell
Transcript
[00:00:00] Brad: Alright, welcome to the fourth episode of Talk Story. Uh, today is February 2nd, Friday, February 2nd. We’re excited to be here again doing this. Uh, it is 6 4 p. m. on the East Coast. And, uh, clearly today I’m not with Chris. This is Anouck. And Anouck will be the co host, special co host today. We’re very excited that she can make it. [00:00:30] Brad: And, um, excited to have a female representing the surf community out here. Uh, if you guys want, you can check out the blog, thankyousurfing. com. We’ve got, uh, some of the previous episodes, episodes 1, 2, and 3 out there. Um, also, on Thank You Surfing, we’ve got, uh, Lou Lozada’s, uh, local lens. All of, uh, his photos went up on the blog this week. [00:00:55] Brad: We also put up some surfboards for sale, and, uh, also a board bag. If anyone’s taking a trip, uh, anytime soon, there’s a board bag on there for a really good price. And, uh, yeah. Um, oh! Uh, tomorrow, Surfrider Foundation Miami is going to have a party at Olita River. And they’ll be showing a movie about surfing in Cuba. [00:01:23] Brad: So that’s going to be pretty cool. Uh, check that out tomorrow night. Uh, Surfrider Miami. Is having a party over there. Are you going to go to that party? [00:01:31] Anouck: I’m going to try my best. You’re going to try your best. [00:01:34] Brad: I have a feeling that depends on whether you’re a surf diver. [00:01:37] Anouck: Exactly. Uh huh. Maybe color. [00:01:39] Brad: Uh huh. [00:01:39] Brad: Um, what else do we have going on this week? Anything else going on? No. That’s pretty much it. Yeah, a surf recap. We have had a lot of waves. Did you surf? [00:01:52] Anouck: Yes, I did. After work. What about you? [00:01:56] Brad: I surfed a bunch. Um, This week was kind of an interesting one. That swell that came in was mostly a north swell. And, um, the wind was supposed to get on it, but never really got on it as bad as we expected. [00:02:09] Brad: So it was a little bit of a happy accident in terms of that. Um, and then the, the thing that was most surprising, at least for me, was that the swell lasted. For a few days. For two days. Yeah. And that’s not very often that we get a swell for the last couple days, let alone one that’s not like ginormous and then like left over to the next day. [00:02:27] Brad: Usually we’re in that situation. This time it was kind of like chest high, shoulder high for a couple days in a row. [00:02:33] Anouck: Good to go. And it got good in the evening too. [00:02:37] Brad: Oh, which is nice for all working people. , all the working people out there, getting out after 5:00 PM Um, that’s pretty awesome. Um, I know I served both evenings actually. [00:02:48] Brad: Uh, I only served one morning, but um, it was good conditions. Very good for, for here. We had a lot of waves, not too many people in the water, um, not too many people jacking, so that was kind of good. And, um, what do we got coming up? We got some windswell for tomorrow, uh, should be, should have been blown already, so, um, maybe a little bit delayed on that windswell for the weekend. [00:03:13] Brad: Um, we’ll be posting in the morning, early, um, but not really expecting too much early, probably more later in the night. So Anouck, do you want to show everybody your handles and your website? Because I want everybody to know where they can reach you, you can hold that up so they can find you. [00:03:30] Anouck: All right, you can find me as Anouck Jorda on Instagram, just my name, A N O U C K J O U R D A A. [00:03:40] Anouck: And this is also the name for my website. And as an artist, my name is Anouck. [00:03:47] Brad: All right, sweet. [00:03:48] Anouck: Thank you. [00:03:49] Brad: So here’s something that, uh, we wanted to talk to Anouck about because, I mean, I started learning surf when I was a teenager, like maybe 13 years old, 14 years old. I know that’s not, that is not the case for you. [00:04:04] Brad: You learned to surf much later in life, and I’m interested to kind of hear how that went, and how did you decide even to get into it? [00:04:13] Anouck: Okay, so I grew up in France, uh, in the Basque Country, where we have very nice waves, but for a limited amount of time, maybe three months in the season. Uh huh. The rest of the time is pretty unrewarding with a lot of, uh, cold weather and, uh, choppy waves. [00:04:32] Anouck: Uh, so I body surfed and body boarded all my childhoods and then I moved to Miami for job reasons. And, uh, I just, uh, I couldn’t see any bodyboarding material. I didn’t even know you could actually surf or catch waves in Miami. So, um, I started surfing because bodyboarding was not an option. And so I started surfing in my early thirties. [00:04:58] Anouck: And I’ve been surfing for seven years now. [00:05:02] Brad: How did you actually like, did you go out and buy a board day one or how did that all happen? Okay. [00:05:07] Anouck: I was very lucky. The first time I went out was with a colleague at work, a teacher. And, uh, one of my colleagues told me there are actually waves in Miami. So she lent me a boards twice. [00:05:19] Anouck: And the first year I was in Miami, I lived in coconut grove and I surfed twice. That’s it. I went to the beach twice. And then one of my neighbors was a surfer and he was moving out and I saw him. He had seven boards and he was loading up his car and ready to move. And, uh, I went to see him and I was like, would you sell me one of your boards? [00:05:42] Anouck: And, uh, he told me, no, I don’t sell seven boards. I was very disappointed. And, uh, I actually did something very sweet the next day when he was gone. And I opened my door in the morning. He had left me one of his surfboards. Get out! Really? So, yeah. [00:05:59] Brad: That’s how you got your first surfboard? My [00:06:01] Anouck: first surfboard was a gift from a neighbor that I never got to thank because I never saw him again. [00:06:07] Anouck: He moved out that night and, uh, he left me his board. That board was pretty It was, I surfed with it with tape for a year because I didn’t know it was bad to have water [00:06:20] Brad: get into the board. [00:06:22] Anouck: And, uh, I still learn how to surf with it and I’m thankful because it was a gift. [00:06:29] Brad: That is incredible! I can’t believe that your first surfboard was just gifted to you by like, an anonymous stranger. [00:06:35] Brad: Yes, and I [00:06:36] Anouck: don’t even know his name, and I never got to thank him. But, thank you, if you ever recognize me. [00:06:42] Brad: Um, alright, so, you get this board, and then, like, how did you even determine when to go surfing, or what the hell happened next? [00:06:49] Anouck: Okay, I think the reason why you know me is because I’m not picky at all. [00:06:54] Anouck: I just, uh, I can just paddle out in anything, any wave. And I still think surfing is a therapy for me. It’s more being in the water and catching whatever. So you just go? I just go. And sometimes there are no Even when you started? Yeah. You just like go like on any random Saturday? Yes. The thing is that because of my past, I surf I bodyboarded a pretty good size when I was a child. [00:07:22] Anouck: I don’t have fear of any conditions. Um, but because I was a beginner, I just thought I’d paddle out in anything. So, if there is not maybe just, you know, half a foot, I’d still paddle out. [00:07:37] Brad: That’s definitely the case. Um, so, I can’t imagine it being very easy to learn how to surf in Miami, one. And then learning how to surf is not easy at all to begin with. [00:07:50] Brad: So There’s a lot of commitment that is involved with that. How did you deal with that? And how did you, how did you become so committed to it? [00:08:00] Anouck: Okay, it was gradual. I used to be a late riser. So, uh, I’ve changed in the past four years thanks to surf trips with friends. And I just realized that it’s actually nice. [00:08:14] Anouck: Early bird does catch the worm, so it’s worth it to get up early. Uh, I realize that, you know, watching the sunrise when you’re surfing is a blessing. That you get beautiful conditions when you, when you commit to getting up early. Uh, I’ve taken more surf trips up north also in the past four years. We’re in Florida, by the [00:08:38] Brad: way. [00:08:38] Brad: You guys don’t realize where the heck we all are. [00:08:40] Anouck: Okay, I do have my card, membership card for Fort Pierce Parks. I love that spot. I really like being proud there. [00:08:50] Brad: So you basically just wake up early, I wake [00:08:53] Anouck: up early, sometimes as early as 4am. Uh huh. Uh, we check the forecast with my friend, uh, Fugia. Uh huh. [00:08:59] Anouck: And, uh, we just surf, go up north and surf there at sunrise. [00:09:03] Brad: So you leave here at 4am, drive for, it takes about two hours to get there, four gears. You’ll be there, actually, before the sun rises. Yes. And [00:09:13] Anouck: And just surf before everybody gets there, which is, uh, around 8am, it gets really crowded. [00:09:20] Brad: That is definitely a kind of like, rite of passage as a surfer in Florida. [00:09:24] Brad: Yes. The trip up coast. [00:09:26] Anouck: And we’ve gotten to like Jupiter too. We have cool friends there. Uh, the guy that shaped my board is uh, also from Palm Beach. What’s his name again? [00:09:36] Brad: Crowd Control Surfboards. What’s up? Shout out. [00:09:40] Anouck: And uh, yeah, a kind of funny. You know like, [00:09:43] Brad: I know I’m interviewing you in a way, but um, I have taken trips up coast with you guys. [00:09:47] Brad: Awesome. Everywhere that I go with you, you guys know people. Like, people paddle over, big smiles on their faces, give you high fives, um, and it’s not limited to like one spot. So I guess you guys have been going to all these spots enough times where people that live there, serve there regularly, know that you serve there regularly. [00:10:12] Brad: So it’s kind of interesting. Yeah, we’ve [00:10:15] Anouck: been regulars up there for the past few years. Every time there are ways people open. [00:10:20] Brad: That’s it. That is definitely very dedicated. Um, but you also have traveled other places. Yes. So, what places have you traveled since, I guess since you’ve been truck surfing? What surf trips have you taken and what have you been doing? [00:10:38] Brad: Okay, how did that all go down? That’s a whole other way to pass it. I mean going learning to serve is one thing as a miami And then realizing that you can go up coast like two hours or three hours and see different conditions entirely. [00:10:51] Anouck: That was an epiphany Yeah, yeah, and then if [00:10:54] Brad: you get on an airplane you go two three hours in another direction. [00:10:57] Brad: It’s a whole other scenario [00:10:59] Anouck: Okay, so my first trip I see uh miguel joined the group maybe still here. My first search trip was with miguel You He’s a neighbor and I met him doing my laundry. I didn’t know him. And, uh, I really did not know him. I had seen him literally once [00:11:17] Brad: and he [00:11:19] Anouck: told me I’m going to Costa Rica next week. [00:11:21] Anouck: Do you want to join? So I actually joined him. And that was my first surf trip to Playa Grande, close to Tamarindo. And, uh, we had a great time, and it was two weeks with a complete stranger. Uh, my friends were like, so crazy. Uh, but it started a series of surf trips, and I’ve never stopped since then. That was back in 2012. [00:11:46] Anouck: And, uh, I’m a teacher, so every summer I’ve committed to going somewhere where I haven’t surfed before. [00:11:54] Brad: Okay, so where else was I thinking of you? [00:11:56] Anouck: Okay, so Costa Rica three times, uh, Nicaragua twice, uh, Indonesia, uh, Salvador de Valentina, uh, which was a very cool surf trip because she organized a surf contest with other people and she linked it to, uh, a very nice, um, How would you call that? [00:12:17] Anouck: Community development, passing out school supplies. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, so wait. Okay, too much. Yeah, I’m trying to take this all in. [00:12:25] Brad: So you’ve been surfing since twenty [00:12:29] Anouck: I would say two thousand [00:12:33] Brad: 2010. And since then, you’ve been to Costa Rica. How many times Nicaragua? Three [00:12:38] Anouck: times, Nicaragua twice, Indonesia for a month and a half. [00:12:42] Brad: Indonesia for a month and a half, there it is. What’s that one? [00:12:45] Anouck: I also fly back home, which is the best country. We’re raised in France. Every summer, almost, so I’ve gone in to surf my childhood spots. [00:12:55] Brad: Okay, so she’s basically got like the hit list of all the spots you want to go surf in the world. [00:13:00] Anouck: Hopefully. [00:13:01] Brad: Working [00:13:01] Anouck: on it. [00:13:03] Brad: You’ve hit a number of them already in your short surfing career. Uh, so, what is it like going, um, to some of these places? I mean, actually I want to back up for a second. So, there’s not that many girls that surf in the lineup here. So, I imagine that Being a girl in the lineup has got to be somewhat of a thing, and then going to other countries and surfing must be a whole other thing. [00:13:27] Brad: How do you think that affects you in, like, in terms of travel, in terms of being in the lineup? Does that mean there’s a difference? [00:13:35] Anouck: Okay, I would say that I was scared to travel on my own the first time I did it. And, um, Looking back, I’m very glad first time. Actually, I was on a trip with you and, uh, Miguel and other people. [00:13:51] Anouck: And, uh, when you guys, uh, had to go back to work as a teacher, I had all this summer and I thought, you know what, I’m going to stay. So I ended up staying in Nicaragua. I went from this, uh, world class, uh, mention five star surf trip to, uh, Very, uh, you know, laid back surf trip. I was in a surf hotel, uh, for 10 a night and I stayed there for a month. [00:14:21] Anouck: And that was my first, and that was my first time. And, uh, I made friends that I still have to this day. Uh, some in, some in Australia, some in Palm beach. And, uh, I just realized that this is what I want to do every summer. [00:14:38] Brad: Let’s just go on a month long trip. I think that’s what most people want to do. [00:14:42] Anouck: You know, the surfing world is, uh, unique in that sense is that you can travel on your own and not feel lonely. [00:14:49] Anouck: And even as a girl, I never felt I was in danger because you connect with people in the water and then you get out of the water and you see all these people and they welcome you because you share the same passion. I never felt I was in a dangerous situation. [00:15:04] Brad: Really? [00:15:05] Anouck: Yeah. And I felt very welcomed and I don’t know. [00:15:09] Anouck: There’s something about traveling on your own where you’re more open to other people. And I’ve met amazing people that are committed to changing the world or being involved in their community. And just, uh, very down to earth people. I like that about surfing and traveling on your own. [00:15:29] Brad: Wow. That’s intense. [00:15:32] Brad: Yeah, that’s intense. Wow, I mean that’s pretty intense that you’ve gone through all that stuff just to be surfing. [00:15:37] Anouck: Yeah, it’s a lifestyle and I, looking back, I would, uh, I would probably not be as happy if I hadn’t shifted to this lifestyle. [00:15:47] Brad: That’s pretty interesting. Actually, um, I was thinking when, um, when I found out you were going to be a guest, I was kind of wondering if surfing has an impact on, I mean you mentioned you’re a teacher, but you’re also an artist. [00:16:00] Brad: So I’m wondering if you had some sort of connection through your art and surfing, or how, was there interplay there? Because I know, I’m an entrepreneur, so when I go out on the water sometimes, it’s, it’s to try to disconnect from work. But at the same time sometimes I’ll wind up thinking through things while I’m like duck diving or like getting worked or who knows what But there’s there’s something that definitely happens to me in my psyche with everything that goes on in my life But how does that affect your like creativity or you get inspiration from it? [00:16:32] Anouck: Okay, usually when I travel I sketch so I’ll bring a sketchbook and the sketch trap the travel sketch that I have are You influenced by the travel that I took. So for example, the whole month and a half I stayed in Indonesia, my sketches reflect the colors, the culture, whatever I saw there. Uh, I also sketch a lot of, uh, uh, female surfers. [00:17:03] Anouck: Um, Or women in movement. I also have a whole blue series that is connected to the ocean. I like to draw drops. So that’s [00:17:11] Brad: the connection to the blue series. That makes sense. [00:17:14] Anouck: It’s connected to the ocean. Yeah, no, totally makes me feel Mm-Hmm. . So, uh, and you know, just, uh, this is actually a very nice, uh, way to feel at peace for me when I travel on my own. [00:17:27] Anouck: I don’t always interact with people, even if I end up always meeting new people. Mm-Hmm. . But all the time alone that I have, uh, I get to sketch and meditate. I guess sketching is my way of, uh, feeling home anywhere, even if I’m in a foreign country. That’s pretty nice. Yeah. [00:17:48] Brad: I wonder if I have stuff like that. [00:17:51] Brad: Brushing my teeth in the morning. I got that, I guess. [00:17:55] Anouck: I also have, uh, uh, painted on, uh, several surfboards. The two surfboards that I have, have my paintings. And then you did that [00:18:04] Brad: on a trip? [00:18:05] Anouck: Uh, no. Visa, um, okay, the, the latest one that I have, I got to work with Brett Prince for Car Control, and he let me sketch and paint on the boards before he put the last layer, so that’s even better. [00:18:21] Anouck: Uh, I really like that. uh, collaboration to give it a nice finish. And, uh, I also got to paint a mural in, uh, Salvador, the place where we stayed. Uh, the owner of the place, uh, Lili, uh, asked me to paint, so I collaborated with, um, uh, what’s his name, the one that has a goat, the firefighter that retires. What was his name? [00:18:47] Anouck: Well, I got to paint with him. Uh, he painted the way behind and I painted one of the surfers. So they have that in the background and everybody that stops there and stays with them sees that painting. [00:18:58] Brad: Wow, that’s pretty cool. [00:19:00] Anouck: Yeah, it’s a mural that we did together. [00:19:02] Brad: So I guess it does wind up being very connected after a while. [00:19:05] Anouck: Yes, and I, I think, uh, I’m still in touch with, uh, one of the French guys that is there in that community, and he asked me to, uh, come and, uh, Join some of the youth there that are doing paint work. Oh, cool. So, when I do go back there, it will be one of the that, [00:19:24] Brad: that sounds like a good idea. [00:19:25] Anouck: I don’t know, this summer we’re trying to do the Maldives. [00:19:29] Anouck: We’ll see. You know, every summer. There’s a lot of places [00:19:32] Brad: to go. [00:19:32] Anouck: So many places. Yeah. Yes. [00:19:35] Brad: That’s a good problem to have. [00:19:36] Anouck: Yeah, I’m thankful for that. [00:19:39] Brad: Uh, alright, so there’s one other thing that I wanted to get into you before we get out of here. Um, and that is, a nuke will surf the smallest waves that you’ve ever, ever seen. [00:19:52] Brad: And I’m not even talking about small waves, I’m talking about probably doesn’t even Non [00:19:57] Anouck: existent. Yeah, non existent [00:19:58] Brad: waves. As a matter of fact, they’re called a nukeable. Um, it’s when it’s like, well, sort of something, but it’s not really a wave, but you’ll be out there. Um, alright, so, first question is like, why the hell do you bother? [00:20:14] Brad: Second question is, does it help your surfing? And third question is, uh, just, maybe two. Okay. [00:20:24] Anouck: Why do I bother? It makes me happy. Okay, so going out, [00:20:28] Brad: even when it’s barely rideable. I think, [00:20:30] Anouck: you know, there’s, some of us surf for the performance, some of us surf for the peace inside. I think I’m one of these people. [00:20:41] Anouck: I guess so. That need to connect with the ocean and with nature to feel complete, and that’s what it gives me. You If I’m out there paddling, even if I’m by myself, I actually enjoy being by myself out there. It’s another thing than competing for waves in a busy lineup. Just watching the colors enjoying the ocean is part of the experience. [00:21:08] Anouck: I don’t care how small the wave is. Uh, if I’m in the water, it’s already, I’m already winning. So, that part, you know, if I see a little something and if I know I’m gonna spend an hour filling the elements, I don’t care if the wave is not significant for most surfers, I will still enjoy it. And feel better after. [00:21:34] Anouck: To me, I, for example, I cannot jog. I, I hate jogging. I hate [00:21:39] Brad: jogging too. [00:21:41] Anouck: You cannot make me put sneakers on and go, I would do it for the benefits of it, but I would rather paddle out and feel the benefits of being in salty water. [00:21:54] Brad: It’s hard to argue. [00:21:55] Anouck: Yeah, it is the padding and uh Don’t [00:21:58] Brad: you get frustrated though? [00:21:59] Brad: It’s like when it’s not I’m trying to like, imagine you paddling out on the smallest days that I’ve seen you do it. I mean, it’s barely a ripple, and sometimes not even coming consistently. And you’ll just sit there and wait. It has to be frustrating. I don’t [00:22:13] Anouck: wait that much actually. That’s the thing about small days in Miami, and I think it’s unique to this spot. [00:22:20] Brad: Maybe. Is [00:22:20] Anouck: that small days still Can keep you pretty busy. Like you can be going back and forth. And I can literally catch 50 waves in an hour. They might be very small, but I still do my workout and paddle back and forth, and I feel great after. [00:22:38] Brad: Yeah, I mean, I guess you take it from that perspective. Yeah, it’s [00:22:41] Anouck: a workout for me. [00:22:42] Anouck: I don’t do much exercise other than surfing. So I take it as, uh, when you do push ups in the gym, I would get extremely bored. I would have to commit to going to the gym and mingle with people. I’d rather be out there and [00:22:59] Brad: Not mingle with people. [00:23:01] Anouck: It’s something very reassuring about, you know, being out there and embracing it and breathing. [00:23:09] Anouck: It’s almost like meditation, actually. [00:23:13] Brad: Yeah, I mean, I could buy that. I understand that aspect of it. And it’s, it’s not You just take it to your home and whatever. Yeah, it’s a [00:23:19] Anouck: spiritual thing. I’m sure if you talk to Kenny, I don’t think he’s on Instagram, but Kenny our neighbor, who’s always out there in the smallest ways. [00:23:28] Anouck: Yeah. Or Jose, who we joined earlier. This is about, uh, feeling connected. It’s not just catching a wave. And also, you can connect that to The fact that I started surfing very late in my life, you know, so I did not get used to, uh, surfing perfect waves. Uh, I still feel I am improving because I’m paddling out, and it is paying off. [00:23:57] Anouck: Oh, no, definitely, there’s, there’s definitely that aspect, for sure. [00:24:01] Brad: I mean, the more time you spend in the water, the better circuit you’re going to be. I [00:24:04] Anouck: feel even in minor details, like my imperfect takeoff, but still, by being out there in small waves, I am improving it. Uh, I am understanding how the wave goes and faster movements. [00:24:19] Anouck: Just even when it’s breaking very fast, grabbing the rail, these are things you realize. To me, it’s like, uh, Going on an easy slope when you’re skiing, you’re practicing basic skills by just being out there climbing up, no matter what the conditions are. [00:24:34] Brad: That was a very good analogy. Have you been working on that? [00:24:38] Brad: That was a good one. I come from like a skiing and snowboarding background. So I’m like, yeah, she’s right. There is kind of that too. Well, [00:24:47] Anouck: I never was a good skier. I didn’t get enough practice, but the maybe four or five ski trips I took, I tell people, leave me there on the, I don’t know how you call it, children’s slopes. [00:25:00] Anouck: I’ll spend two days on that, leave me alone, and then I’ll join you for the rest of the trip. And to me, this is like my bunny slopes. I do that, I have fun. Um, by myself, I’m doing what I need to do. My body is remembering things, like working on muscle memory. And believe it or not, when I surf bigger waves. [00:25:23] Anouck: Oh, I forgot Mexico. I went to Mexico twice. [00:25:29] Anouck: I went to Mexico twice. I surfed pretty big waves there and whatever I practiced here in South Beach in small waves, uh, came in handy. [00:25:39] Brad: That’s hard to argue. [00:25:41] Anouck: Yeah. [00:25:41] Brad: I’ve seen it happen over time. And I’m a teacher. [00:25:44] Anouck: You do your homework, it pays off. [00:25:49] Brad: I can’t top that. Alright, let’s end this thing here then. Kids, do your homework. [00:25:54] Brad: Um, So, I want to thank Anouck for joining us today. It’s been really fun, uh, doing this with Anouck as the co host. Um, show everybody your hand all again so they can follow you on Instagram. And check out our art, uh, as you heard earlier. Some of it’s, uh, ocean inspired, so you guys might like that stuff. Um, and this will be up on Surfing along with all the previous episodes that we’ve had, uh, shortly. [00:26:22] Brad: If you guys like it, you can subscribe on YouTube. We do have that and uh, Comment or let us know how we’re doing. If you guys want to talk about stuff next time or You hate this and you should just stop Uh, we’re here for the people right yes, uh, thanks again. Thank you. We’ll uh, see you next time guys